[ChrisRobin]

yeah; something like a marsh guard looks fine, but a more substantial bolt on (like factory fox fenders, which i run full time) appear to be no bueno. bit of an oversight, i'd say.

Whistler Mountain Bike Park on Instagram: "Fitz Zone is ready to go! Moving forward, we’ll be loading bikes and riders on the same chair - a gamechanger for uphill capacity and accessing our most popular trails in the park. Before your first lap, we’re asking riders to stop by our new testing station by the chair. The new clip system is pretty straightforward but always a good idea to figure it out before jumping in line. A couple other key things to note: • All bikes and fenders come in different sizes. Some will work, but some won’t. We don’t want to see anyone breaking their fenders with this new system which is why we setup the testing station. So please, if you really want to run your fender, stop by and check before loading. If it doesn’t fit properly, you can always find one that does and swap it in • There’s also a handy A, B, C, D diagram at the testing center to see if your bike will fit the clip system. Don’t worry - the majority of bikes are going to fit. If yours is one of the few outliers that doesn’t, it just means you’ll need to load on the side hook. We have other test setups for the side hook throughout the Fitz lineup. It’s best to give them a try as well before your first lap so you know how to securely attach your bike to the lift. Our Lift Ops, Trail Crew, and Maintenance teams have all put in a ton of work around the clock the last few weeks to get the park ready for opening day. We’re super appreciative of their passion and dedication to delivering the best product possible to our riding community. Please join us in sending them a big thanks 25 years! Let’s do this! #ProgressIsThePurpose #WhistlerMountainBikePark #Whismas #FreeTheFender"

5,907 likes, 419 comments - whistlerbikeprk on May 16, 2024: "Fitz Zone is ready to go! Moving forward, we’ll be loading bikes and riders on the same chair - a gamechanger for uphill capacity and a...".

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Yeeeeah... so much for my Mudhugger fender and my hard-to-find bolt on adapter for it.

 

[rideit]

I guess that would be good to know if it were an issue.

 

[ChrisRobin]

I'm sure the Whistler thread on Pinkbike will get updated soon enough.

 

[Westy]

yeah; something like a marsh guard looks fine, but a more substantial bolt on (like factory fox fenders, which i run full time) appear to be no bueno. bit of an oversight, i'd say.

Whistler Mountain Bike Park on Instagram: "Fitz Zone is ready to go! Moving forward, we’ll be loading bikes and riders on the same chair - a gamechanger for uphill capacity and accessing our most popular trails in the park. Before your first lap, we’re asking riders to stop by our new testing station by the chair. The new clip system is pretty straightforward but always a good idea to figure it out before jumping in line. A couple other key things to note: • All bikes and fenders come in different sizes. Some will work, but some won’t. We don’t want to see anyone breaking their fenders with this new system which is why we setup the testing station. So please, if you really want to run your fender, stop by and check before loading. If it doesn’t fit properly, you can always find one that does and swap it in • There’s also a handy A, B, C, D diagram at the testing center to see if your bike will fit the clip system. Don’t worry - the majority of bikes are going to fit. If yours is one of the few outliers that doesn’t, it just means you’ll need to load on the side hook. We have other test setups for the side hook throughout the Fitz lineup. It’s best to give them a try as well before your first lap so you know how to securely attach your bike to the lift. Our Lift Ops, Trail Crew, and Maintenance teams have all put in a ton of work around the clock the last few weeks to get the park ready for opening day. We’re super appreciative of their passion and dedication to delivering the best product possible to our riding community. Please join us in sending them a big thanks 25 years! Let’s do this! #ProgressIsThePurpose #WhistlerMountainBikePark #Whismas #FreeTheFender"

5,907 likes, 419 comments - whistlerbikeprk on May 16, 2024: "Fitz Zone is ready to go! Moving forward, we’ll be loading bikes and riders on the same chair - a gamechanger for uphill capacity and a...".

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Such a good idea. I am sure people will use that just like they do the carry on bag sizers in airports.

 

[vivisectxi]

yeah, first lift shenanigans should be entertaining. cutting off zip tied fenders is no big thang, but you need a socket & micro a/k to pull a fox, and what, you didn't bring bleed valve washers with you?? guess a fender removal station will be the next thing.

 

[rideit]

Kind of like a coat room. Must tip to get your fender back, eh?

 

[Westy]

Thankfully I can still run my custom Orange County Chopper rear fender.

 

[ChrisRobin]

I just read that instagram post by Whistler Bike Park. Basically says "some fenders will work, some won't. If yours doesn't, go buy a different one". LOL.

This was added on Pinkbike. Looks like those two flared bumpers are what your fork is supposed to rest one. Meanwhile this person's bike is resting on the fender:

in North Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada - photo by leelau - Pinkbike

 

[vivisectxi]

ooh, short lines, tho; lots of capacity on there:

 

[canadmos]

I just read that instagram post by Whistler Bike Park. Basically says "some fenders will work, some won't. If yours doesn't, go buy a different one". LOL.

This was added on Pinkbike. Looks like those two flared bumpers are what your fork is supposed to rest one. Meanwhile this person's bike is resting on the fender:

in North Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada - photo by leelau - Pinkbike

That design is supposed to work by letting your fork touch the rack? :|

I don't care what those bumpers are made of, it could be cashmere goats ass hair, there ain't no way that won't scratch up your lowers.

The park here has similar trays, but your bike simply hangs from the wheel and clears any fender. The wheel tips a bit, but no part of the fork or anything touches it*.


*not supposed to anyways, I scratched my brand new fork on one, that has wider trays and allows the front wheel to flop over a few inches more.

Now is Chris Kovariks chance to make custom bolt on fenders that are Whitler lift approved™. The STFU Guard, if you will.

 

[ChrisRobin]

I'm not sure what that rack is supposed to do. Based on the video I posted, the weight of the bike rests on the fender which makes contact with the rack. Take the fender off, it looks like the fork would rest on those bumpers. I'm sure by tonight there will be more on this.

 

[trib]

That design is supposed to work by letting your fork touch the rack? :|

I don't care what those bumpers are made of, it could be cashmere goats ass hair, there ain't no way that won't scratch up your lowers.

The park here has similar trays, but your bike simply hangs from the wheel and clears any fender. The wheel tips a bit, but no part of the fork or anything touches it*.


*not supposed to anyways, I scratched my brand new fork on one, that has wider trays and allows the front wheel to flop over a few inches more.

Now is Chris Kovariks chance to make custom bolt on fenders that are Whitler lift approved™. The STFU Guard, if you will.

THE fenders are so back.

 

[daisycutter]

yeah; something like a marsh guard looks fine, but a more substantial bolt on (like factory fox fenders, which i run full time) appear to be no bueno. bit of an oversight, i'd say.

Whistler Mountain Bike Park on Instagram: "Fitz Zone is ready to go! Moving forward, we’ll be loading bikes and riders on the same chair - a gamechanger for uphill capacity and accessing our most popular trails in the park. Before your first lap, we’re asking riders to stop by our new testing station by the chair. The new clip system is pretty straightforward but always a good idea to figure it out before jumping in line. A couple other key things to note: • All bikes and fenders come in different sizes. Some will work, but some won’t. We don’t want to see anyone breaking their fenders with this new system which is why we setup the testing station. So please, if you really want to run your fender, stop by and check before loading. If it doesn’t fit properly, you can always find one that does and swap it in • There’s also a handy A, B, C, D diagram at the testing center to see if your bike will fit the clip system. Don’t worry - the majority of bikes are going to fit. If yours is one of the few outliers that doesn’t, it just means you’ll need to load on the side hook. We have other test setups for the side hook throughout the Fitz lineup. It’s best to give them a try as well before your first lap so you know how to securely attach your bike to the lift. Our Lift Ops, Trail Crew, and Maintenance teams have all put in a ton of work around the clock the last few weeks to get the park ready for opening day. We’re super appreciative of their passion and dedication to delivering the best product possible to our riding community. Please join us in sending them a big thanks 25 years! Let’s do this! #ProgressIsThePurpose #WhistlerMountainBikePark #Whismas #FreeTheFender"

5,907 likes, 419 comments - whistlerbikeprk on May 16, 2024: "Fitz Zone is ready to go! Moving forward, we’ll be loading bikes and riders on the same chair - a gamechanger for uphill capacity and a...".

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They had these types of racks at Windham Bike Park in New York last year. It was not an issue at all, the weight of the bike pulled the top clamp down and held the hundreds of bikes securely last summer.

 

[jstuhlman]

wait, windham still has a bike park? NOW DO PLATTE!!!

 

[Bikael Molton]

THE, the most SEO-unoptimized brand name of all time.


Business bro: Uh, I’d like to trademark my brand name.

USPTO: That’s sick bro, what is your company called?

Bro: It’s called the.

USPTO: …

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THE fenders are so back.

 

[trib]

THE, the most SEO-unoptimized brand name of all time.


Business bro: Uh, I’d like to trademark my brand name.

USPTO: That’s sick bro, what is your company called?

Bro: It’s called the.

USPTO: …

I had to search “Toby Henderson enterprise mud fender” to find the beautiful example above

 

[HardtailHack]

Got the old man's wet weather sled in for some new bits.
New BB, went up to a 10sp drivetrain, new shifters, road cass, all new brakes and then I'll be doing all new brakes again because it seems Clarks re-badged some bottom of the barrel junk that is worse than entry level crap that was already on the bike.
Will get some Avid SD brakes.

Oops, wrong thread, but the shitty brakes sorta make it the right thread.

 

[scrublover]

Got the old man's wet weather sled in for some new bits.
New BB, went up to a 10sp drivetrain, new shifters, road cass, all new brakes and then I'll be doing all new brakes again because it seems Clarks re-badged some bottom of the barrel junk that is worse than entry level crap that was already on the bike.
Will get some Avid SD brakes.
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Oops, wrong thread, but the shitty brakes sorta make it the right thread.

You've got a fender on there. That works.

Solid townie/commuter!

 

[HardtailHack]

You've got a fender on there. That works.

Solid townie/commuter!

Yeah it came with fenders, from memory the bike was maybe 350 Aussie dollars.
The wheels didn't last long, it started snapping spokes pretty early on, for some reason the spokes were bottomed out in the nipples from new.
It has served him well, all it needs now is the XT freehub serviced(tool ordered) and it brakes a bit funny up front as he got a dent in the rim when he tried to stop a motorbike that was zooming along a bike path, haha!
It's horrible to ride with the seat back that far but you can't tell old people what to do.

 

[Leafy]

A couple of the bike parts near me have those new fangled self load/unload bike mounts on the lifts and they're no issue for zip tie fenders or the bolt on fox38 fender from fox (even on littler 27.5 wheels). Maybe the extra long fox one would be a problem.

 

[SkullCrack]

THE, the most SEO-unoptimized brand name of all time.


Business bro: Uh, I’d like to trademark my brand name.

USPTO: That’s sick bro, what is your company called?

Bro: It’s called the.

USPTO: …

He only tried a little harder with his next company: Box

Box Components | BMX & MTB – Box

Box Components was created with a rebellious vision and towering objective: to chart new courses and promote forward-thinking products.

boxcomponents.com

 

[ChrisRobin]

A couple of the bike parts near me have those new fangled self load/unload bike mounts on the lifts and they're no issue for zip tie fenders or the bolt on fox38 fender from fox (even on littler 27.5 wheels). Maybe the extra long fox one would be a problem.

I think it all depends on how long your bike is, how big your wheels are...etc. If you have a large DH bike 29/29 for example, I figure your back wheel will rest against the bottom bar before your fender gets crushed. Some people reporting their fenders are fine, and some others aren't. That's too bad... what a pain:

 

[Leafy]

My tiny old gambler didnt have an issue, nor my wife and my normal sized medium trail bikes, or her medium nomad. Must just be a tall people problem.

 

[6thElement]

Looks like the 6 pack lift at Big Sky, no issue with zip tied fenders on our DH bikes a couple of summers ago when we visited.

 

[buckoW]

The ones the lift company recently installed in Champery needed a bunch of adjustments to make room for fenders and keep the rear tire off the ground on XXL frames. The rear tire holder needed to be angled rearward as much as possible.

 

[Jm_]

The ones the lift company recently installed in Champery needed a bunch of adjustments to make room for fenders and keep the rear tire off the ground on XXL frames. The rear tire holder needed to be angled rearward as much as possible.

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Pretty sure that's what our local hill has now. They have a static one for practice, but these are fairly impractical for a lot of riders to loft the bike up onto, they just aren't ready for the movement. Liftees do it mostly.

 

[sethimus]

i liked those in the fai zone in paganella. you put your bikes on by yourself, and on the top station, the car with the bikes decouples from the transport mechanism and stops, so when you arrive you take your own bikes off again. no need for lifties.

 

[sethimus]

looks just like a bad implementation on whistlers side

 

[Lelandjt]

I'll be adding Fox bleeder washers to my toolbox this season. It sucks that you can't remove the fender without replacing it with washers. Twice I've gone to Crested Butte and forgotten that their lift doesn't work with Fox fenders. You have to tell the lifty each time so they set your bike on a chair instead of using the rack. Sounds like this will become more common.

 

[ChrisRobin]

There are a bunch of videos up that show when you load your front wheel into the rack, the back wheel just rolls on the platform until the chair clears said platform. Then your bike 'swings' down until the back wheel hits and rests against the lower bar - that's when your fender can get crushed.

I'll have to pick up one of those marshguard fenders locally just in case I have to make a parking lot fender change. I'm betting the Whistler shops are selling those like crazy... and charging a lot.

 

[Lelandjt]

It's weird that these type of racks are getting popular at the exact same time as the type of fenders they don't work with. Neither was common 4 years ago.

 

[Gary]

Neither was common 4 years ago.

Maybe not in the land of sunshine and dust.
Mudhugger style front mudguards became popular here well over a decade ago

 

[canadmos]

It's weird that these type of racks are getting popular at the exact same time as the type of fenders they don't work with. Neither was common 4 years ago.

It's that particular kind of rack though.

These ones from leitnerpoma (sp?) don't come close to majority of fenders.

Though looking how they all work, alot of this shit could be avoided if the lower bar was set "out" further.

These are the trays our local hill uses. Never heard of someone's fender being an issue....they don't even have side racks.

MOAR shimz is the answer, as always.

 

[Lelandjt]

Maybe not in the land of sunshine and dust.
Mudhugger style front mudguards became popular here well over a decade ago

That's not the type of fender that's the problem. It's the new bolt on fenders for Fox & Rockshox. Fox being the worst cuz you can't just unbolt it. You need to replace it with a set of specific plastic washers.

 

[slimshady]

You need to replace it with a set of specific plastic washers.

Why can't you just leave the screw holes empty? Genuine question, I'm not doubting on your statement, I'm just puzzled on how could Fox do something so stupid...

 

[DaveW]

I'm just puzzled on how could Fox do something so stupid...

"so stupid"
Have you seen what Fox charges for the parts?
A small easily lost part at that!

 

[Gary]

Why can't you just leave the screw holes empty? Genuine question, I'm not doubting on your statement, I'm just puzzled on how could Fox do something so stupid...

2021 36mm and 38mm Mud Guard Installation | Bike Help Center | FOX

www.ridefox.com

explains it

I don't really see why bolt on mudguards are an issue but the ziptied ones aren't. Bearing in mind they're shaped the same and sit in pretty much an identical position. Plus some of the ziptie guards are a good bit longer.

eg. Mudhugger long

RRP Proguard max

 

[sethimus]

Why can't you just leave the screw holes empty? Genuine question, I'm not doubting on your statement, I'm just puzzled on how could Fox do something so stupid...

because they also bolt them onto the pressure relief thingies, and there you need to remove some spacers

 

[Lelandjt]

Why can't you just leave the screw holes empty? Genuine question, I'm not doubting on your statement, I'm just puzzled on how could Fox do something so stupid...

There are 2 small screw holes on the arch, those are just left empty. The fender also attaches by the bleeder buttons going through 2 holes in the fender. When you unscrew the bleeders and remove the fender they can't be screwed back in without adding plastic washers that replace the thickness of the fender tabs. I tried and it leaks oil.
They could have designed the fender to come on & off with an allen wrench. Instead you need to bring a crescent wrench and the washers. It doesn't seem like they intended it to be frequently taken on & off, which seems kinda the opposite of how a lot of people would like to use it. This new thing of needing to remove it at some bike parks just makes it worse.

 

[Lelandjt]

2021 36mm and 38mm Mud Guard Installation | Bike Help Center | FOX

www.ridefox.com

explains it

I don't really see why bolt on mudguards are an issue but the ziptied ones aren't. Bearing in mind they're shaped the same and sit in pretty much an identical position. Plus some of the ziptie guards are a good bit longer.

eg. Mudhugger long

RRP Proguard max

Those would be a problem on the Crested Butte lift. The ones that aren't a problem are the Marsh Guard type, because of their size and flexibility.